http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/maynard.html The following is an extraordinary interview with Defense Intelligence
Agency retired officer John Maynard, now one of the [UFO] Disclosure Project
witnesses. Mr. Maynard also happens to be a member of our UFOFacts list. He
graciously gave me permission to post his interview to my lists.

아래의 글은 국방부 첩보부에서 근무했고 지금은 폭로 프로젝트 증언자의 한명인
존 메이나드(Maynard)와의 특별 대담입니다. 메이나드는 또한 UFOFacts의 회원이
되기도 합니다. 그는 친절하게도 자신의 인터뷰 내용을 나의 명단에 게시해도 된다고
허락해 주었습니다.

Richard Boylan, Ph.D.  
리차드 보일런 박사

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      The following is an exclusive interview Surfing The Apocalypse
conducted with Disclosure Project witness John Maynard, U.S. Army Retired -
Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

      This interview was conducted via email over a period of several weeks
by Theresa de Veto for Surfing The Apocalypse.

      Where possible, when certain technologies or people are mentioned in
the interview, links to information on those subjects and/or people are
provided. It is recommended that you follow these links and review the
information contained there, as well as search out information on your own.

      Surfing the Apocalypse is denoted as  SURFING.   John Maynard is
denoted as  MAYNARD.

      The views expressed here are not necessarily the views of Surfing The
Apocalypse, the interviewer, or any of the affiliated websites.




      JOHN MAYNARD'S OPENING STATEMENT

      MAYNARD:  One might ask, with a career that includes a background in
counterintelligence for both military purposes and drug trafficking, 'how
did you become involved in UFOs?'

      My involvement was probably more happenstance than anything else. I
became involved while overseas in Germany, Turkey and Korea. These areas
were not noted for a lot of UFO activity. I was primarily afforded the
opportunity to investigate peripherally a few incidents and implement
disinformation or misinformation programs to divert attention away from the
military and toward the paranormal and/or UFO [followers] in those areas.
However, a point I never revealed to the military, was that my grandmother
brought me up believing that UFOs existed.

      Regardless of that point, I was still a staunch conservative
(politically) and placed my military duties ahead of my beliefs. I had a
'country, duty, and honor'-type attitude. I believed that because of my
dedication, and what appeared to be naivety on my part, my military
superiors did not question my actions when it came to debunking UFO
sightings. However, I became very intrigued as to why UFOs were not to
become public knowledge and, that they (the government) preferred that any
UFO information for public consumption stay in the realm of the paranormal
and/or the unreliable UFO resources.

      It took me several years to figure out that this blatant disregard for
public opinion was a plan designed to keep and maintain the pressure of
proof on certain elements of our society.

      The plan was basically to place the burden of proof on the UFO
researchers and to steer the public away from the military organizations
that were directly involved in UFO research. In this plan I deduced that the
military was using the media to keep these UFO researchers from making too
much of the issue by having the media brand them as kooks, weird, paranoid
and unbelievable; better yet, by having people who go around chasing after
shadows in a belief that UFOs are real and the government is hiding
something.

      To date, this plan has worked well above average, and the general
public still has an opinion that follows what ever the media tells them.

      SURFING:  Can you tell me about the pivotal point at which you decided
to move out of the realm of disinformation in the UFO field and into the
belief that disclosure was needed? How did you come to the decision that
your beliefs should take precedence over your military duties?

      MAYNARD:  Pivotal point! It was more of a period of enlightenment,
from disinformation to disclosure. I do not believe that there was any one
point that I can say: 'this was the day and/or the hour.' I can tell you the
exact day and hour I quit smoking, or when I became a Christian, but
disclosure was, and is, something entirely different. It was more of an
attitude change on my part.

      If you want to pin it down to when it started to happen, I guess it
was in the early 1970's while I was in Germany. It was also the time of the
famous LA Times publishing of the   Pentagon Papers    and   Daniel
Ellsberg.    I was in charge of a US/NATO classified repository and the
Pentagon Papers caused me to inventory everything in the repository, right
down to the last page. Part of the Ellsberg papers were classified Top
Secret Cosmic, which is a NATO classification. Since I was at an air defense
site, that particular document was in my repository, so we had to account
for everything. This caused my office an untold amount of work inventorying
all the documents. It was a page-by-page inventory.

      It was during that time that I realized just how much the government
was hiding under its classification and disclosure blanket. Even newspaper
reports that had become part of the file were being classified. It appeared
to me that they literally did not want anyone to know what they knew. I
guess curiosity got the best of me at that point. After that incident, I
started to pay serious attention to what was going on, particularly when it
came to the classification of documents. I, more or less, became an official
source to ask about classifying documents, which meant full research of the
documents surrounding the one being classified.

      They say that hindsight has 20/20 vision. I could have turned illegal
at that point and made copies of the pages pertaining to UFO incidents.
However, my security oath and duty to country stopped me from going that
extra measure to the illegal. I have to tell you I seriously thought about
it; however, I could not come to the point of making copies of any
particular pages relating to UFO sightings and other encounters. I guess I
was too much of a Boy Scout and I detested the thought of going to prison.
Ah, yup, I am a big chicken when it comes to that.

      The progression of this change in attitude and thoughts continued.
While I was stationed in Turkey I finally came to the conclusion that
disclosure was needed. It took about 6 years to get to this point. It was
also the time when I had become a Christian and was really having turmoil
within myself as to which way to take a disclosure program and/or to finish
my military career. I really had no means by which to accomplish this
without literally going to jail. Call it providence, or whatever, upon
leaving Turkey I was assigned to DIA headquarters in the Pentagon. At that
point I realized that it might be best to wait and see what else I could
learn about UFOs, what the government was doing with the information and why
they considered UFOs a threat to public knowledge.

      That day was probably the day I made up my mind that something had to
be done, and that I was being afforded the opportunity to gain information
that the public does not have, and probably will never have, without
disclosure.

      Actually, I still have difficulty with stepping out and telling what I
know, but I also firmly believe that it is the time for disclosure. Full
disclosure!

      SURFING:  What exactly do you mean when you say "full disclosure?"

      MAYNARD:  Exactly what it means! I feel that the government should
come clean and release all the information and let the American people
decide what should be done with it.

      Surprisingly enough, or contrary to studies done by the military and
other government agencies, I believe that American citizens and the world
population as a whole are ready for this kind of disclosure. It has been far
too long in coming. Even at that I doubt that the government will release
everything at one time. Just a simple disclosure that UFOs exist and contact
has been made with alien beings is feared by the government.

      SURFING:  You state: "Just a simple disclosure that UFOs exist and
contact has been made with alien beings is feared by the government." Did
you personally see any evidence in your work with the government that
contact has been made? If so, can you tell us specifically what this
'contact' entails?

      MAYNARD:  Personally, yes, as listed in the documents I was in charge
of. I also knew several people who flew in and out of Nellis AFB on the
Janet flights out of Las Vegas McCarran International Airport. These were
government-chartered flights (unmarked) from McCarran directly to
Nellis/Area 51. That's right, the planes had no identification at all marked
on them. One friend is a safety engineer, we had discussed his Vegas trips,
but he would never admit flying to Area 51 until I confronted him about a
photo I had seen of him boarding a Janet Flight. After that confrontation,
he admitted to seeing aircraft the government had, ours and theirs (alien),
parked in hangers and underground parking areas. He would admit to nothing
else, and we discontinued our relationship.

      Two other friends discussed everything that they did at Area 51 with
me. They knew me before I retired, and [of] my interest in UFO material.
Yet, when I asked them to come forward along with me and others to testify,
they flatly refused and asked me to never speak to them again, particularly
if I went ahead with the Disclosure Project. I have agreed with their
wishes, yet we speak on friendly terms. But never mention Area 51 or any
other matters concerning UFOs.

      SURFING:  What is a Janet Flight?

      MAYNARD:  Janet Flights are government shuttle flights that take
personnel from Las Vegas to Nellis AFB/Area 51. There have been several
shows on Discovery and The Learning Channel exposing these flights. As I
mentioned earlier, after seeing a photo of a friend of mine boarding one of
these flights and confronting him with the evidence which he had denied for
three years, it allowed him to open up and describe some of the work he did.
What he told me only confirmed what I already knew from other conversations.
He only confirmed that UFOs exist and that there has been alien contact, but
refused to discuss the aliens. I did not press him further on this matter,
as he was very upset at giving me that much, and I respect him for what he
was willing to provide. He has long since retired from that job and I no
longer have contact with him, nor do I know where he resides now. He
preferred it that way.

      SURFING:  Can you tell us about the most convincing evidence you have
encountered? Share with us what your testimony for The Disclosure Project
details.

      MAYNARD:  Not any one thing was most compelling except for, at the
time, classified satellite photos and radar imagery taken during different
compartmental photographic missions, such as Talent Keyhole (TK11) and by
the OMNI satellites. I am sure they are still classified. In this respect,
remember the book and movie  The Falcon and the Snowman ?  The book provided
some of the most accurate information placed in public hands about our
government's covert operations.

      As for what this information means to the Disclosure Project, it is
multi-faceted. First, it provides substantiation that documents do exist, as
I can identify the kind and classification of them. Secondly, it provides
backup documentation to other witnesses. Lastly, it establishes a basis for
congressional hearings, if nothing else, to clear the problems with
congressional apathy.

      SURFING:  So, you believe because you are able to identify the kind of
classification that these documents carry that this will help in the
location and declassification of these documents?

      MAYNARD:  Yes, I believe that I could lead investigators to documents
that would be of very valuable assistance in uncovering the fact that the
government has known about the UFO and alien contact program for years.

      SURFING:  Many theories have been put forth in regard to UFOs; they
have been called everything from extraterrestrial to multidimensional, to
government black ops projects, to demonic entities. From your research and
knowledge, of what do you believe the UFO phenomena consists?

      MAYNARD:  A very loaded question to say the least! I guess I would
have to answer, 'D': 'all of the above'! Information and evidence became
available to our government, mainly in the black ops area, as you call it,
which is basically covert intelligence or operations under deep cover and
compartmentalization. The information the government accumulated gave
credence and support to all of the theories: UFOs, extraterrestrials,
multidimensional travel, and for those in the religious movement, what can
be referred to as demonic.

      Let me put it this way: we live in a very settled but dynamic
universe, it is ever- changing; yet it continues steadily in the same
direction. We are not "to be the masters of this universe" nor are any of
its inhabitants that are known to exist therein. However, I have a problem
with this word "phenomenon", particularly as it relates to sightings and
encounters that are a matter of fact. Labeling these events as "phenomenon"
is suppression of the event by a very refined disinformation program that is
in place, which is automatically mimicked i.e. "reported" by the media. This
serves in keeping the subject of UFOs in the realm of fantasy or "phenomena"
as reported.

      SURFING:  A persistent legend in regard to flying saucers is that at
the end of World War II, after Germany had been defeated, a select group of
NAZI military personnel and scientists escaped capture from the Allied
troops and established a secret base in Antarctica, where they continued to
develop advanced aircraft that may have been based on extraterrestrial
technologies.

      MAYNARD:  There were many, many stories and tall tales that came from
WWII; my two uncles, John and Eric, loved to tell these exaggerations of war
over and over. Even though my uncle John did work on General Patton's twin
mounted 50cal half track and uncle Eric flew in the Burma Air Lifts, they
could tell some whoppers. And, since my grandmother raised me during the
WWII era, and because of her interest in UFOs, my uncles --who were more
like older brothers to me-- would spice their stories with some UFO remark.
This usually brought about much laughter from everyone.

      To answer your question: I have heard the story of the German escape
to Antarctica, of space ships being built, and subsequent bases on the moon.
However, I have never seen anything in writing or mentioned in any
conversation I had regarding documents. If there were any truth to it, it
was beyond my area of classification and responsibility.

      SURFING:  From your knowledge, have you seen anything that would make
you believe that any of the UFO sightings are/were craft of this nature?

      MAYNARD:  No, although I did read certain documents that indicated our
own abilities in this area: back-engineered equipment, propulsion systems,
and alien vehicles that could provide us with the capability of traveling
great distances from this planet. I have also had recent conversations in
this area, but I am not prepared to go into this in detail at this time. I
need to make further inquires and confirm this information from alternate
sources before making a complete statement on these government activities.

      SURFING:  How does what you have learned regarding UFOs relate to your
beliefs as a Christian?

      MAYNARD:  It is a very delicate balance, which has caused me to
question, at times, what I believed. Each time, this questioning has only
strengthened my beliefs as a Christian. I have to admit that at first it
bothered me a lot and it still does, to some degree, today. However, as I
became more knowledgeable in both UFO information and Biblical eschatology,
I began to see correlations between incidents in the Bible that related
directly to my knowledge of UFOs. Which is something that I really catch
flak about from some of my peers in the religious community. Particularly
from those that are not as familiar with UFO research as I am, and, at
times, are not all that familiar with the Bible, either.


      Anyone can ask me questions like:

      Is there a GOD?
      Is He involved with us?
      Are there UFOs?
      Are Extraterrestrials involved with us?

      And my answer to all of these questions would have to be YES! Can I
explain my position on this? Probably not to the satisfaction of any
Biblical scholar. But it has become a truth and belief solidly in place in
my life.

      SURFING:  When speaking of the balance between your beliefs as a
Christian and your knowledge of UFOs, you state: "I began to see
correlations between incidents in the Bible that related directly to my
knowledge of UFOs." Can you give an example?

      MAYNARD:  First, I would like to state that my discovery of these
parallels predated my involvement with the Internet, and mainly was due to
studies I was involved in at the time, pre-1980. Since then I have
discovered that there are numerous websites and feature articles attesting
to these facts available through the Internet.

      Regarding my studies, the books of   Daniel,    Ezekiel,    Psalms,
and both books of   Chronicles    and   Kings    gave me reason to question
these writings in line with my knowledge of UFO disinformation programs.
Further studies in Daniel and his accounts of "the end times" (a term I do
not like to use freely) and Ezekiel's "wheel in a wheel" flying craft, along
with accounts in Chronicles and Kings concerning the "Chariots of Fire",
were the most conclusive proof that UFOs have been visiting this planet for
at least five millennia.

      SURFING:  You state: "Regarding my studies, the books of Daniel,
Ezekiel, Psalms, and both books of Chronicles and Kings, gave me reason to
question these writings in line with my knowledge of UFO disinformation
programs."

      What do you mean? Are you saying you found evidence of disinformation
in the Bible, or that the writings of the Bible conflicted with what you
were doing in the field of disinformation?

      MAYNARD:  Let me try and clarify this: No! I did not find any
disinformation in the Bible. When it came to specifics in the Bible, the
text provided insight into secular statements as to their dis- or
mis-information agendas, which made them easily discernable to myself and
other readers where I point it out. Most commented that: "I never thought
the Bible would prove that the Government would lie about something like
UFOs."

      SURFING:  Can you give an example of text in the Bible that suggests
the government would lie about UFOs?

      MAYNARD:  My, you do like to put a person to the test. OK, if you turn
to the book of  Daniel Chapter 7 verses 9-14,   when the government is
presented with this text indicating a cataclysmic war may occur in the
Middle East upon the return of Christ --which can be related directly to the
biblical passages  Revelation 18:11-14;    Acts 1:9-11;    and   Ezekiel
1:1-8--   [these passages all refer to the way the Christ departed from this
earth and will return] the government generally states that it is not true
and that the text is merely speculation and open to interpretation. To that
I ask, what is happening today?

      Where it is clearer, as in   Ezekiel 8:1-8,    the description of the
craft he sees is fairly definitive as some type of aircraft. The
government's position is non- existent; they state 'interpretation', but
never comment directly. Two very good examples of machines in production
today, yet the government will take no position. However, when questioned
about UFOs, the government refuses to admit that there might be a
possibility, yet, will contrive a fictional story to satisfy the media.

      A very good recent example, the fireball seen along the East Coast
from Canada to Virginia. It was reported that the fireball burned the corn
in a Pennsylvania field, but no debris was found. Within a few days, NASA
states that the corn was not burned, a very large contradiction from
eyewitnesses and journalist from several news media. Now, who is lying? And
this was the simplest of sightings, albeit not UFO.

      The government has shown the public this kind of disregard for years
and I cannot think of anything else to call it but a lie. It sure isn't the
truth. Maybe I am splitting hairs, but can you tell when the government is
telling the truth? Everyone hopes that everything the government says is
true, yet some of the article sure stretches the imagination.

      SURFING:  Do you fear that you might be reprimanded for bringing any
of this evidence out now?

      MAYNARD:  No! And yes! However, I think I am at a position in life
where I am comfortable in either case. Also, that my knowledge along with
the other witnesses all speaking the same language gives me comfort. For the
government to bring reprisals upon one, or all, would be more damaging in
the case of rebuttal.

      SURFING:  Do you believe that the U.S. government has had active
on-going communications with alien species from beyond this earth?

      MAYNARD:  Yes! There is no doubt in my mind that this is occurring.

      SURFING:  Can you tell us from where these extraterrestrials
originate?

      MAYNARD:  Where do they come from? That is probably the $64 million
dollar question for everyone, except certain government offices. Personally,
I do not know, as I have never read or conversed with one of them to find
out. I have heard all the rhetoric that has been spouted about Greys from
Alpha Centauri or Sirius, Reptilians (which I had never heard of before
seeing the term used on the Internet), and then of course, the term of
"Nordic-looking aliens". Therefore, I do not believe that I can provide any
insight into this question. However, this does not mean that I lack
knowledge of their existence, albeit only Greys. I have never read anything
on any other species.

      SURFING:   Are you saying that in your work with the U.S. Intelligence
Community you have seen evidence that the "Greys" are actual
extraterrestrial biological entities?

      MAYNARD:  EBEs, I do not know what else to call them --do you? They
are not from this planet, but their interaction with the main populace of
this planet has been very limited by government actions.

      SURFING:  How has interaction with the Greys been limited by
government actions?

      MAYNARD:  Limited was probably too gentle of a word for what is
happening. The government is trying to directly control all contact between
the Greys and the populace. This is one of the reasons for the hostilities
spoken of between them, and why we may hear from the Greys long before the
government wants disclosure.

      SURFING:   What do you know if anything regarding the motivations
behind the visitors to our earth?

      MAYNARD:  I can speculate like everyone else, yet some of this
information was way beyond what my clearance was allowed to read. I do know
that some of that motivation has to do with our growth, not only as a
species, but also as a future member of an interplanetary social community
that has already achieved a place in a greater universal society. How fast
we get there and what our importance will be to that community depends on
many factors. At present, our government is controlling this aspect of our
knowledge and until that has changed there will never be a true
relationship. I firmly believe that if our government and other governments
that have full knowledge of this contact do not come forward and make the
announcement to the world, then the aliens will do it themselves, which most
certainly will cause some panic.

      SURFING:  How long do you believe our government has had the knowledge
that we are not alone in the universe?

      MAYNARD:  That is hard to say, but I believe the United States
Government --but not necessarily the elected government-- had some knowledge
of an alien presence as early as the mid-1800's. However, as to when
official contact was made, I have never seen anything in writing on a
specific date. Although, through the tracking of rumors, other stated
information, and conversations I have had, I would estimate that official
contact was made in the early to mid-1930's. Yet, it could have been as
early as pre-WWI (1910-14), which is long before today's popular belief of
the 1950's. Therein, because of the limited (congressional and executive
branch) knowledge, the government as a whole was not prepared for the UFO
crashes that occurred in the late 1940's and early 1950's.

      Because of this, the government stumbled dramatically, giving rise to
speculation and conspiracy theories. However, with the speed of today's
communications, the conspiracy advocates have a tendency to provide far more
information on the event than actually occurred. Therefore, society is left
with the feeling of being off balance, because of who does and does not have
knowledge of extraterrestrial life.

      SURFING:   You state: "I firmly believe that if our government and
other governments that have full knowledge of this contact do not come
forward and make the announcement to the world, then the aliens will do it
themselves."

      MAYNARD:  Yes, I firmly believe this, and have believed it for at
least the last 20 years.

      SURFING:  If contact has been ongoing for as long as you believe that
it has, why the sense of urgency from the alien standpoint to make this
announcement now?

      MAYNARD:  I came to the conclusion that something was not quite right
between the aliens and the people who were in contact with them. Not so much
that it was stated outright, but just something that was said while I was
doing background checks on cross-referenced documents. Also, in statements
made during conversations with several fellow workers and my friends who
worked at Area 51, it became obvious that all was not right at Groom Lake.
Furthermore, other discreet conversations had indications that there was a
confrontation going on between higher authority and those that had daily
contact with the aliens.

      However, I never learned exactly what the problems were. All I could
grasp from the conversations was that there definitely was a confrontation
of some kind. I have continued my research on this and believe that it is
still going on today, but in a more heated sense, such as armed belligerence
on both sides, with a much smaller alien presence.

      SURFING:  When you say "higher authority," do you mean persons higher
up in the chain of command?

      MAYNARD:   I am referring to the chain of command. Yes!

      SURFING:  You state: "discreet conversations had indications that
there was a confrontation going on between higher authority and those that
had daily contact with the aliens."

      Can you tell us anything about what the nature of this "daily contact"
entails?

      MAYNARD:  There are certain government installations (military and/or
civilian), where daily UFOs and Alien contact was, and is, a normal event of
the day. They are:


      a.. Groom Lake (Area 51) in Nevada.


      a.. Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah.


      a.. Cheyenne Mountain (Space Command) in Colorado.


      a.. White Mountain in Arizona.

      Places where it was not a normal daily activity were:


      a.. California - Lawrence Livermore Laboratories, El Toro and China
Lake Naval Air Stations, and Edwards Air Force Base.


      a.. New M?ico - Sandia Base and Los Alamos Laboratories.


      a.. Florida - Eglin, MacDill and Maxwell AF Bases, which also
supported the Space Centers at Canaveral and Kennedy.


      a.. Maine - Loring AFB.

      There were other places that had some activity, that are of lesser
importance and would cloud the issue. For simplicity, I would estimate
(without having to sit down with a map and counting each and every one) that
there are at least 80 [eighty] government installations, and the number
could be higher, throughout the country as a whole. Further, as regards
these installations, I am unable to provide any specific details on the
types of daily activities that were conducted at any of these locations,
with probably the exception of Cheyenne Mountain.

      SURFING:  Please, tell us more about what you know about the daily
events at Cheyenne Mountain.

      MAYNARD:  First off, I want you to understand a little of the
background of Cheyenne Mountain which will give the reader an image of what
we are talking about as it concerns daily contact.

      Long before there was an organization called Space Command, there was
the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD), set up to protect the North
American continent from attack. This was the main reason for building the
complex in Cheyenne Mountain. The main purpose of this joint US/Canadian
organization was to support the Strategic Air Command (SAC) and the missile
Air Defense Program.

      As time progressed, satellite surveillance was incorporated in the
command structure of a little-known organization called the National
Reconnaissance Office (NRO). The NRO is basically a black ops-type
organization that has kept its main role in SAC as a basic cover for the new
command.

      It was the task of the NRO to obtain information through ARIEL and/or
satellite imagery. As more and more space activity became involved in the
process, another command was developed to handle this alone; this is called
the Space Command. It is the Space Command's responsibility to maintain an
uninterrupted and consistent data flow of daily activities in earth, near
space, and of space vehicles entering our atmosphere. This Command is
supported by all military organizations, jointly, as well as NASA and
several companies from the military-industrial complex, such as Hughes,
EG&G, Dryden, and SAC. All of these organizations provide budget, manpower
and support activities, and it is a shared process to some degree, whereas
the NRO is basically an Air Force-run operation supported by all of the
military commands. All three organizations, NORAD, NRO, and the Space
Command are mission supported directly by the NSA, and in turn supply
processed information to the NSA.

      The Space Command acts like an air traffic controller for all the
activity involved in and around North America. I have been working on
getting information to substantiate my allegations surrounding the daily
contact.

      Over the past few years there have been incidents reported or alleged
that would indicate a daily UFO and/or EBE contact. Although these incidents
are, at most, suspect, there seemed to be too many factors unrelated in each
incident that struck a familiar chord. After thoroughly examining each of
the incidents (which I do not feel comfortable naming at this time), and in
the course of my cursory investigation of the incidents, I noted
similarities and patterns of disinformation being used that would make
people scoff at what was stated. After applying my knowledge of
disinformation I began to see the truth in each of the incidents. This
caused me to intensify my own investigation, which is ongoing at this time,
and involves more than just the Cheyenne Mountain Complex.

      I hope to have a document ready to publish with the results of what I
have found, later this fall or winter.

      SURFING:  Many people have reported abduction experiences. They
describe being taken against their will by aliens (usually described as the
Greys) and subjected to some sort of medical examination. Some of these
abductees have also witnessed U.S. Military personnel present during the
abduction experiences. What do you know about the abduction element in all
of this?

      MAYNARD:  I was never exposed to any direct information on abductions.
I knew that there were cases being investigated, but I never saw any
reports. On a personal note, I would have to say that abductions have
occurred and still are occurring today. Other than that, I do not believe I
can offer anything further on this matter.

      SURFING:  Why do you think the aliens decided to interact with the
government, rather than directly with the people?

      MAYNARD:  Over the years many statements have been written (fiction
and/or nonfiction) concerning the best approach to this delicate subject,
and I tend to agree with many of those statements. It is apparent that our
species has been controlled to the large part by the government and media.
Whereas the "Star Trek Prime Directive", is probably the most famous
statement, and most agree could be the most likely scenario. However, as
beings being observed for at least the last several thousand years, give or
take a millennia, it will probably be less of a surprise to us in this day
and age than previously thought; "Details at 11".

      Yet, the factors with which we govern ourselves do not exactly bring
out the best part of us. Therefore, if I were an alien studying this planet
and its societies, I might be a little apprehensive about charging into the
open and announcing my presence. I would probably contact one, two, or more
of the major governments and work with them, and when the time was right,
make a joint announcement and let history take its course. Still, regardless
of what one might say, once governmental contact was made and working
arrangements had been ongoing, any announcement is not timely and may also
be unproductive. That is, until it is apparent that disclosure is necessary.
In these instances, the amount of the populace's knowledge is a big factor
in determining the proper time to make the announcement.

      The other side of that coin might be that contact was made millennia
ago, and through design, it was decided that an alien presence would be
counter-productive to our planetary society growth. In that case,
nondisclosure might be the best scenario. Then again, if the contact had a
positive reception and disclosure had been made, interaction might be a
common factor in our society, and would no more be thought of than what you
think of your neighbor. Some believe, as well --as I do-- that we might have
had an even better planetary society, had acknowledgement of contact
occurred positively and openly from the beginning. Primarily, you have to
remember that contact is a two-way street, both parties have to be in
agreement with the action to achieve the best results.

      SURFING:  So, are you saying that the aliens might be operating in a
fashion similar to the "Prime Directive" of Star Trek fame?

      MAYNARD:  There is always that possibility, but I do not believe that
is the case entirely.

      SURFING:  That perhaps the aliens have not revealed themselves
directly to us so as not to affect our natural course?

      MAYNARD:  Truthfully, I am not sure if our government --or the
aliens-- are the cause for the non-disclosure at this point, although
personally I feel that the former is the stronger possibility. I firmly
believe that if it were up to the aliens, disclosure would have been made
long ago. Why else would there be so many open sightings, personal
information from people all over the world, and near-encounters with aliens?
Also, why would the government work so hard at denying it?

      SURFING:  Is it possible that the course of humanity has now reached a
place where we are supposed to know of their existence?

      MAYNARD:  Really now, Theresa, "the course of humanity!" What course?
Other than our current technology, we have not progressed very far at all.
If it were not for our technology we might have thrown ourselves back to the
Stone Age, or had another Dark Age. Remember it was just a little over a
hundred years ago that we were fighting over the ownership and freedom of
slaves, and we overwhelmed an indigenous people and force them, even today,
to live as prisoners of war. We have also fought two major wars, and I have
lost count of the smaller countries' civil, and revolutionary conflicts that
have been played out in the last few decades. Along this line I like the
line from Jurassic Park: "We were so busy playing god we forgot to ask the
most important question: should we?"

      In a way, I think there is a distinct possibility, as it concerns
alien contact and the disclosure thereof, that our government, in its
interaction playacting with the alien society forgot to ask should we?

      SURFING:  On the Disclosure Project website is listed the following:

      Mr. John Maynard: DIA Official

      "Of corporations involved in this matter, Atlantic Research
Corporation is one of the big ones. So it's not very often heard about. It's
an insider beltway bandit, if you want to call it that; very low profile,
mostly has all of its work done within Intelligence. TRW, Johnson Controls,
and Honeywell: all of them at some point or another became involved with the
Intelligence field. Certain works, activities were contracted out to them.
Atlantic Research was one of them, way back.

      These are entities that were created out of people in the Pentagon to
become a 'beltway bandit' -[businesses or research institutes that] receive
projects, grants, and monies to do certain projects that were so highly
classified and compartmentalized that you know only about four people would
know what was going on. So it was that tightly controlled."

      SURFING:  Regarding these highly classified projects that you speak of
involving U.S. Corporations: according to your research, were these
corporations involved in "defensive" measures against the so-called "alien
threat", backward engineering of captured or shared alien technologies, or
all of the above and more? What can you tell us?

      MAYNARD:  The title should have read "US Army Retired, DIA" but that
is OK, the point of accreditation is well made.

      The Department of Defense has had an ongoing program since the
mid-1950's, which provided contracts to U.S. Civilian
Contractors/Organizations/Corporations that worked in the intelligence
community. These projects came under very tight security and usually were
very highly compartmentalized. What this means is that you have several
concentric circles: the closer you are to the inner circle the more
information you could find on the project. The further you get away from
this inner circle, the less information is available. All this is
established on a very strict need-to-know basis. Within these circles you
could, if you looked hard enough, find contractors that worked on various
parts of the project but really had no idea what the overall project was.
This also happened with the military's interaction with the primary
contractor. Also in this respect, each military branch had certain projects
that came under the compartmentalization security measures.

      What is meant by this compartmentalization is simply the
classification of a document or project, whether it is classified as
Confidential, Secret, or Top Secret. However, when they are named, such as;
UMBRA (UM), MAJESTIC (MJ), OMNI (OM), or TALENT KEYHOLE (TK), the
compartmented program becomes an entity unto itself. The projects and the
circle of knowledge draw very tight toward the center and access is granted
or denied from within that circle.

      Therefore, you can literally talk with a top official in the Pentagon,
but unless he has the authorization for that particular project, he probably
does not know that it exists. If he does know it exists, he knows nothing
about it. Knowing the simple rules of classification helps in identifying
the right person to talk with.

      SURFING:   One of the planks in the  disclosure project platform   is:

      "To enact legislation which will ban all space-based weapons."

      Do you believe projects like the planned U.S. Anti-missile defense
program are somehow related to the extraterrestrials?

      MAYNARD:   My political view on this is, since we cannot get along
with anyone on this planet, we justify our choice of weapons with which to
defend ourselves. My ideological view is that we should BAN all of our
weapons, throw out our monetary systems, return to a bartering system and
live in harmony with each other. Science should be shared with everyone, not
just the privileged.

      SURFING:   But do you believe that some of these space-based weapons
are actually being designed to do battle with extraterrestrials? If so, what
effect will building them have on our "relationship" with the aliens?

      MAYNARD:  Does anyone know? We officially have not been told that our
government or any other government is in contact with aliens. So how can we
have a relationship? One can only speculate at this point.

      I firmly believe that we still have a basic fear of ourselves, thus
anything alien is a basic fear for all humans. Those in power play on this
point to maintain their need to have weapons for self-defense, be it
singular or mass destruction. As you know, we have two sides to every coin
and you walk on one side at a time. Then there are those that walk on the
edge between both sides. The problem comes to us as 'where do you want to
stand?'. This is something each of us has to ask ourselves at one point or
another.

      However, that is not the problem. The problem is that we do not have
any independent thinkers in our society who would stand on that edge to
bring the stability that is needed. If there are any, they fear the
controllers of society (government and money) because they dare to be
different. In this regard, the governments justify their weapons of mass
destruction, not only from a point of national defense, but planetary as
well. I have always believed that whatever the alien presence is on this
planet, those that interact within those limited secret confines, do so with
a set of values that are very misguided and prejudiced --to the point of
paranoia. There are no liberals in this group! Particularly when it comes to
basic human capabilities, and likewise, their regard for the aliens.

      Simply, we have one US Air Force General making waves about
weaponizing space. Yet, the government has signed a treaty with other
nuclear-capable countries, agreeing not to bring weapons of mass destruction
into space.

      SURFING:  What do you think is the reasoning behind the government
secrecy and not wanting to share knowledge of an extraterrestrial
interaction with Earth?

      MAYNARD:  Not a simple question to answer and we seem to be walking
all around this question. I have had this question asked before and have
thought about it for some time, at least for the past 35 years. Yet any
answer I come up with does not really say it all.

      Two of the top theories as I see it are 'GREED' and 'SECRET
GOVERNMENT' theories. If you look at greed within the government (the old
master and slave routine), as one possibility, it comes out with a very
strong case. Then, of course, you have the 'Secret Government' concept, not
as strong as greed, but a very good contender in many circles. However, the
all-time theory, I believe, is 'POWER', total and complete unchecked power,
which is a combination of greed and secrecy. This is what I believe has kept
this covered up for so long and will continue to keep parts of it hidden,
never to be released.

      Therein, I think that the Disclosure Project has the right idea:
simply disclose that UFOs and aliens exist.

      The rest will come later as Congress gets into the act and really
finds out what the military has been up to for the past 40, 60, or more,
years. Even at that, there will be certain aspects that will be held very
tightly and will never see the light of day, as far as the average American
citizen is concerned, and, in all due respect to its power, Congress also.

      SURFING:  In your opinion, what effect would full disclosure have on
our social, religious and political organizations?

      MAYNARD:  Let me take each one of these aspects of our lives in
reverse order:

      Political life and organizations: When it comes to UFOs and alien
contact, in our current system, at least 98 percent of our elected officials
are as much in the dark as the rest of our citizens. It is also a simple
fact that our elected officials are so greedy that they have not been able
to look beyond that greed to what has been happening in our country, but I
should add that this is not all-inclusive. As for world organizations,
primarily within the leadership, such as the UN, and industrial nations,
their current level of knowledge probably goes beyond what the American
populace is aware of, yet, it is still shrouded in secrecy to the nth
degree.

      Religious organizations: For the most part, the majority will be
totally and utterly devastated and receive a blow to their theology. Yet,
there will be a full element within the religious community that will take
this in stride and will not be shaken by the announcement. It will be that
element that leads the way to a greater understanding of the scriptures and
the theology of a one-God concept.

      Social aspects: This is probably the most difficult to predict or
provide an assessment for. I would have to say that, as a whole, the social
aspects of an alien presence will have a dramatic effect at first, which is
a given fact.

      However, there have been many more similar types of changes in our
social structure, some subtle, while others [are] more dramatic. Each change
basically was taken in the essence for what was burst on the scene.
Although, some of these changes did not come naturally or easily, in that
some were caused by civil wars or revolutions, while others were a
cause-and-effect on society over a period of time. Still, the power to
conquer flight, the automobile, mass transit, and onward to space
travel --in other words, basic technology-- have all been taken in stride. I
feel that our social aspects will survive, and yes, there will be some
suicides and possibly some type of conflict over this knowledge. But the
change will come, and it will probably be for the better.

      SURFING:  From the understanding you have as someone who has worked in
the field of disinformation, please give us a brief explanation of exactly
how disinformation works.

      MAYNARD:  Disinformation or misinformation: The art of provided
information in a form that has a certain amount of truth in the statement to
make it a plausible answer to a question or a possible solution to the topic
at hand. Yet, if employed correctly will lead the person to believe the
opposite of what is correct, in other words, come to the wrong conclusions.

      Once the conclusion is stated in the wrong context of the information,
it will continue to progress down the wrong path leading the person(s)
astray. However, you can still see a thread of the truth that was stated,
which keeps you [away from] or leads you away from the real truth. You are
eventually so far off base with your conclusions, that you yourself have
lost sight of the truth, and are ready to believe anything that is stated on
the subject, right or wrong.

      SURFING:  Can you give me some specific examples of disinformation
campaigns related to UFOs that you were involved with, or had knowledge of
in your intelligence career?

      MAYNARD:  Not a specific example (I am keeping them for Congress), but
the process of disinformation might help. A simple program, say changing the
shape of an object, such as flying saucers. State the real fact of what was
stated, but add that you 'thought it was saucer-shaped', and suggest that
the person who was looking at it from a different angle, saw something like
this: "You said it was cigar-shaped, I thought it was more of a saucer shape
myself, probably the angle made the difference." If you keep repeating this
eventually they will believe it was saucer- shaped. The truth: the person
saw a cigar-shaped object. You changed their minds, and that is what will be
reported.

      Somewhere during the discussion on shape you suggest something else
contrary to what has been stated. You start combining these statements into
an untruth, then, during the heat of the discussion, you whisper in an
unsuspecting ear a statement against what someone else has just stated. From
that point on you are probably not needed to continue the untruth, and those
in the discussion will continue down the wrong path until they believe
something entirely different from what was originally stated.

      You can do the same thing in written statements by starting with the
basic facts worded in such a way,that, by themselves, they are true, but
collectively, you have changed the truth of the matter. You simply add to
the truth with more rhetoric that is just 'off', and eventually, you will
get an untruth stated. You then wait for a reply and rebut the statement, or
agree, if it is in line with what you have said. After that point, you can
continue adding statements until you are so far from the truth that most
wonder where it all started. The nice point about this type of
disinformation is that anyone can pick up on the thread and continue the
untruth without suspecting that they are keeping the discussion moving in
the wrong direction. However, if the writer has a perception of the truth,
you can simply bring up earlier points that lead away from the truth, and
state them as fact --which will lead the reader to the path you have taken
on the subject.

      By now you have probably noted things in your own daily living in line
with what I am writing. Basically, everyone uses some kind of disinformation
or misinformation in their daily lives. They tell the truth, but not all of
the truth, [just to] where the reader or listener has to draw their own
conclusions. If you want them to know the truth, then you tell them; if not,
a person will usually continue on a path that takes the other person away
from the truth.

      We call this lying in the general sense; however, it is so common
today that most do not realize that they are doing it.

      SURFING:  What standards do you use in evaluating information now, as
a private citizen, to discern what is disinformation and what is not?

      MAYNARD:  First off, I believe that you need some training in the
discernment of what is and is not disinformation.

      For example: a thread is initiated by one of the members of a
discussion group -- such as your list of participants that have signed up
for your email service. Next, I follow the thread to see where the initiator
is leading the reader. After that, I look at repeated points, ignored
statements and, confrontational points, and how each of the points were
handled.

      From these three elements or characteristics of the thread, you can
usually, by reading the very first statement, find the truth of the original
statement and then determine which direction the writer has taken you. If
they are taking you away from the basic truth, look for subsequent
statements that lead away from that one truth.

      Here is where gut instincts come into play. If the writer is
continuing down the path in what you determined were true statements at the
beginning, and you have a feeling that something is not right in the
direction, you are probably right. Go back to the beginning and see what
changed from the original statement. If it is disinformation that is being
spread, the subtleties of the statements may not jump out at you at first,
but generally they are very glaring points of truth and untruth.

      I hope this makes it a little clearer for you. One of the classic
recent disinformation programs used by the government was the TWA 800 crash,
particularly the point about a missile attack on the plane. I found a simple
thread as did many others, but it took a lot of work to find the misleading
information once the disinformation program had been put in place.

      It is a matter of reading and re-reading statements to find the subtle
changes that detract from the truth of the matter. Discovering the truth in
disinformation is difficult and very time consuming.

      And, by the way, you can use the same program in reverse to bring out
the truth, but you really need to know what you are doing.

      SURFING:  I am sure in your life, you have had the experience of
having had someone lie to you. When this happens, it makes it difficult to
believe anything that person ever says to you again. Due to the deception
that people have experienced from their governments for so many years, it is
not surprising that people question the motives behind government
disclosure. With all due respect to you, what can you say to those who
believe the Disclosure Project is a clever disinformation campaign?

      MAYNARD:  What do you do with people who lie? I might also ask, have
you never lied to anyone, Theresa? You don't have to answer that! However,
think about what you have said. We all know the government does not allow
anything to be stated unless it is in their own best interest; what some
people call a lie is a matter of perception on the government's part. The
military has provided the basic government agencies that are aware of EBEs
and UFOs with false information. This in turn provides a false impression of
what the public knows or believes. Therefore, the perception by the
government is poor judgment on their part.

      However, consider this: we are humans, and being so, continually wear
a mask to hide our true feelings and intentions. When someone asks you how
you are, how do you reply? The general answer is 'fine, how are you?'.
Cordial and polite-- but it could be the furthest thing from the truth.
Every day we play our little games with each other, and, depending on how we
actually feel, is how we react.

      While in the military, I had to go through several years of in-depth
psychology classes to basically learn the language of body language. I was
also trained in the martial arts, which included the methodology in knowing
your adversary, the spiritual aspects of training to apply the art, and how
to avoid a confrontation. Today, I work in a full spirit of cooperation with
all my co-workers, where --I do not boast when I say this-- people prefer to
work with me, as there have been no confrontations that I could not quench.
Although, it took me a long, long time to learn this. Whereas, my wife is
what they call a natural, so what it took me years to learn, she has the
natural ability to do. She can read body language and defuse confrontational
situations many times with a simple hand gesture and a pleasant voice. She
has never taken any psychology or martial arts courses and has no knowledge
of the spiritual aspects of these areas either. It just comes naturally to
her, and at times I can be very envious of that ability. So, I am not
perfect either, but we do work well as a team. Just a long-winded way of
saying each individual has to make up their own mind as what to do with
those they catch in a lie.

      As for the dissenters you allude to, I doubt that you or I will ever
change their minds on the disinformation point. Which concludes that they
usually have preconceived notions and, for the most part, are very
close-minded in their arguments.

      As regards your statement "the Disclosure Project is nothing more than
a clever disinformation campaign," that, I can assure you, is the furthest
thing from the truth. But then you would expect someone associated with the
Disclosure Project to say something like that.

      When Dr. Greer and I mutually agreed to meet on this matter, he stated
his reasons for creating and doing this project up front. It took me a long
time to come to grips with the impact of that statement and where it might
lead.

      I discussed his statement, and the facts surrounding my involvement
with my family. I had to assure them, as much as myself, that this was a
project that was, for better or worse, needed, and that our government had
to finally disclose its knowledge of UFO and alien contact. It still took
me, to my own satisfaction, several conversations with Dr. Greer to
determine that what the dissenters state was not the case.

      Ultimately, I found Dr. Greer to be a very upfront person with his
commitment, which one would expect, but also, that he never attempted to
hide anything from those that agreed to participate in the program with him.
Basically, it boils down to the fact that we are the 'Disclosure Project,'
we are his support group, and without these core witnesses he has put
together there would be no 'Disclosure Project'. Do we believe in what we
are doing? Yes, I believe that every one of us believes in this project and
what Dr. Greer is doing.

      If anyone can be accused of disinformation out of the 20 or so
witnesses at the National Press Club on May 9th, it probably could be me. I
am asking people to literally accept my testimo